Scientific Reasoning and Logic Chat

Session Start: Tue Apr 22 19:59:45 2003

Session Ident: #philosophy

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[20:00] <larchie> The Chat for Scientific Reasoning and Logic is Open

[20:04] <blah> The practice test we are supposed to do is the "categorical syllogisms", right?

[20:05] <larchie> You can, if you wish. The online test is similar to the in-class test.

[20:06] <blah> where can we find the fallacies for these syllogisms (i.e. Illicit process of the major term)

[20:07] <larchie> Under the class notes section the fallacies are listed. Or are you talking about the online test?

[20:08] <larchie> Fallacies are covered at http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/syll_fall.html

[20:09] <blah> thanks

[20:09] <larchie> There's a link from the test itself.

[20:09] <blah> do we need to know the particular name of the fallacy, or just that the statement is incorrect?

[20:09] <larchie> Fallacies on the test are known by clicking on "answer" button.

[20:11] <blah> sorry. I meant on the real test, do we have to put "false, by the fallacy of ----"

[20:12] <larchie> If there's a fallacy, it would be invalid rather than false. Yes, you need to know the fallacies for the test.

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[20:13] <blah> Are we being tested on just the 6 fallacies on the notes page?

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[20:14] <larchie> The test covers all the topics listed on page 28 of the syllabus--not just the 6 fallacies.

[20:14] <larchie> It is similar to the online sample test.

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[20:16] <Sandy> Dr. Archie, is this the chat for Scientific Reasoning?

[20:16] <larchie> Yes both Scientific Reasoning and Logic

[20:17] <larchie> I think you are from SR and Park (blah) is from Logic

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[20:17] <Sandy> ok

[20:18] <larchie> We can take questions from both classes--I think--without difficulty so long as I know who is asking the questions.

[20:18] <larchie> Hi Pete--any questions?

[20:19] <Sandy> is there an online sample tests for us?

[20:19] <larchie> Not for SR.

[20:19] <Sandy> is everything on page 24 of the syllabus going to be on the test?

[20:19] <larchie> This is the first year I am doing much of the test take-home (SR only)

[20:20] <larchie> As a review sheet, all of the topics could be on the test.

[20:20] <Phoenix> OK

[20:22] <Sandy> are we suppose to do the Explanatory Criteria and General Pattern the same way you had it online?

[20:22] <Sandy> and showed us Monday in class?

[20:23] <larchie> Yes. I'm not sure what your are asking. How else could problems of this nature be done?

[20:23] <larchie> The explanatory criteria and pattern of scientific research are listed in the text.

[20:24] <larchie> These weren't categories invented by me; they are standard ways of thinking about science.

[20:24] <Sandy> ok...i wasn't sure if the problems could be worked in another way

[20:25] <larchie> Right, we are following the text's approach for SR.

[20:28] <larchie> ...

[20:31] <Phoenix> I have been comparing the Glasgow case with the Shelock case .

[20:31] <larchie> OK

[20:32] <larchie> Also use the in-class approach that we used from EMFs.

[20:33] <Phoenix> You read my my mind OK I understand that case clearly

[20:36] <Phoenix> the last page on the G case is not numbered ends with : then you mean

[20:38] <Phoenix> just trying to make sure i have all of it

[20:39] <blah> Is this correct?: if there is a negative premise at all, then there can be no positive conclusion

[20:39] <larchie> Right--the idea is that you have enough information to solve the mystery is your have filled out the pattern of research.

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[20:40] <larchie> Logic--right fallacy of Affirmative Conclusion From a Negative Premiss--name the fallacy rather than the rule.

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[20:41] <tbh22> hello all

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[20:41] <larchie> Hi--there is a joint chat--SR and logic

[20:41] <blah> what is it when you have two positive premises and a negative conclusion?

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[20:42] <larchie> It could be one of several different fallacies--check the distribution status

[20:43] <blah> o.k.

[20:44] <Alli> dr. archie have you recieved messages that i have posted?

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[20:47] <blah> Dr. Archie, what chapter in Copi corresponds with the syllogisms test tomorrow?

[20:48] <larchie> The one on Categorical Syllogisms

[20:48] <larchie> That's the title.

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[20:52] <blah> well, it think that is it.

[20:52] <larchie> Any last questions?

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[20:53] <larchie> The Chat will close in 10 minutes.

Session Close: Tue Apr 22 21:00:36 2003