Session Start: Sun Mar 30 20:19:44 2003

Session Ident: #philosophy

[20:09] *** Now talking in #philosophy

[20:12] <larchie> The SR Chat is open

[20:22] *** guest has joined #philosophy

[20:22] *** guest has quit IRC (Leaving)

[20:24] <larchie> The SR Chat is open.

[20:28] <larchie> The SR Chat is open.

[20:30] *** joeyandp has joined #philosophy

[20:32] <larchie> Any questions?

[20:32] <larchie> The SR Chat is open

[20:33] <joeyandp> How are you doing tonight?

[20:33] <joeyandp> yeah, a few questions

[20:33] <larchie> Doing OK, had trouble connecting earlier though

[20:33] <joeyandp> the Mill's quiz, are the answers correct?

[20:33] <larchie> How can I help?

[20:33] <larchie> the online quiz?

[20:34] <joeyandp> yes sir

[20:34] <larchie> I think when we did it in class there was an error on

[20:34] <larchie> the method of difference.

[20:35] <joeyandp> Ok, i wanted to be sure

[20:35] <larchie> Yeah, I just checked--

[20:35] <larchie> John didn't sit in front.

[20:36] <joeyandp> OK

[20:36] <larchie> Yes, it was a mistake in the code.

[20:36] <joeyandp> hey, this is joey

[20:37] <joeyandp> I have a question about the method of differences

[20:37] <larchie> sure

[20:37] <joeyandp> using the example about the people getting sick on the airplane

[20:38] <joeyandp> in the example, everybody who had the omelet got sick, if nobody who got sick had the omelet, then not having the omelet would be the cause of getting sick correct?

[20:39] <larchie> If that were the only event in common--but that would be the method of agreement

[20:39] <larchie> the method of difference would be

[20:39] <larchie> if you found two persons who had exactly

[20:39] <larchie> the same circumstances except that

[20:39] <larchie> one had the omlet and the other didn't ...

[20:39] <larchie> If the one who didn't have the omlet got sick, then

[20:40] <larchie> that probably is related to getting sick.

[20:40] <larchie> Or one could maintain the having of the omlet somehow

[20:40] <larchie> protected the other one.

[20:40] <larchie> Even negative states of affairs count.

[20:41] <larchie> Does that make sense?

[20:41] <joeyandp> so method of difference would be if nobody had the omelet, not having the omelet caused them to get sick?

[20:41] <joeyandp> I'm confused

[20:42] <larchie> if just two persons were alike in every respect except for that one--the having or the not having of the omlet

[20:42] <larchie> if the only difference is that the one that got sick didn't get the omlet, then that prob. is related to the cause of the result of getting sick

[20:43] <joeyandp> so that would be like saying that if two people both had motion sickness, sat in 1st class, had the toast, had the milk, but only one had the omelet?

[20:43] <joeyandp> you could say that either having or not having the omelet caused the sickness?

[20:43] <larchie> You are supposing something here that is different from the given in class--but right, which ever one got sick

[20:45] <joeyandp> so if person one did have the omelet, and person 2 did not have the omelet and person 1 got sick and person 2 did not get sick, then having the omelet caused the sickness?

[20:45] <larchie> right

[20:45] <joeyandp> ok, gotcha

[20:45] <larchie> or better, "probably is related to the cause"

[20:46] <joeyandp> peter has a question

[20:46] <larchie> OK

[20:46] <joeyandp> is the Method of Concomittant Variation going to be on the test?

[20:47] <larchie> You should be able to know what it is and to recognize it.

[20:48] <joeyandp> would you answer that by saying: By the Methjod of Concomittant Variation, sitting in the front of the class is the cause, or effect, or the indespinsible part of the cause of getting an A/

[20:48] <joeyandp> ?

[20:49] <larchie> Are you talking about the online quiz?

[20:50] <joeyandp> I'm just asking i sthat the form in which you would answer the method of CV?

[20:51] <larchie> It would depend on the question asked. If that is to be your conclusion, then you want to include the word "probably."

[20:51] <larchie> As to whether the answer is right or not, that would depend upon the question asked.

[20:52] <larchie> No one answer is going to cover all questions which could be constructed concerning Concomitant Variation.

[20:53] <joeyandp> WE have reviewed the online Q's and tests. Is there any additional area in the book that we need to pay particular attention to? At times I find the book confusing, PEte

[20:54] <larchie> All parts of the test that have to do with exercises on analogy and

[20:54] <larchie> necessary and sufficient conditions and

[20:54] <larchie> methods of agreement, difference, and joint method.

[20:55] <larchie> i.e., the parts of the test mentioned in class

[20:55] <larchie> go over the in class quizzes also

[20:56] <joeyandp> OK

[20:57] <joeyandp> Sometimes I doubt myself. Is it good to go with one's first impulse if uncertainty arises.

[20:57] <larchie> The idea is to know the stuff so well you won't have to guess.

[21:00] <joeyandp> Iam checking with Joey to see if he has any further questions

[21:00] <larchie> OK

[21:01] <joeyandp> this is joey

[21:01] <larchie> OK

[21:02] <joeyandp> in the method of agreement, would you answer it by saying for example: Katie should conclude that probably the cause or effect, or indespensable cause of making an is working at K Mart and Typing the paper?

[21:02] <joeyandp> making an A

[21:03] <larchie> If that were the correct answer. You could just say that probably whatever the identified circumstance is in common is related to the resultant event--what ever they happen to be

[21:04] <larchie> I.e., you don't have to memorize anything more than "probably related."

[21:05] <joeyandp> you would say that working at k mart and typing the paper is probably related to the cause or effect or the indespensible cause of making an A in the class?

[21:06] <larchie> That would depend on the data presented in the problem. The idea is to isolate one factor if possible.

[21:08] <larchie> If you are looking at the quiz online, there is only one factor related to the outcome--this is the way most constructed problems would end

[21:08] <larchie> But you have to just check the columns to see how circumstances are related by the various methods.

[21:09] <larchie> On the quiz on the method of difference, there wasn't just one circumstance that could be known, so no conclusion could be drawn.

[21:10] <joeyandp> OK,

[21:11] <larchie> Any last questions, I should be getting up the log online in a bit.

[21:12] <joeyandp> No, i think we are fine See you tomm. thanks

[21:13] <larchie> Ok, any last second questions, try the Message Board

[21:13] <larchie> bye

[21:13] *** Disconnected

Session Close: Sun Mar 30 21:13:41 2003