Can We Always Distinguish Between What Is In, And What Is Not In Our Control As Stoics Believe?

By Matthew Knight <mknight_dsb@hotmail.com>

Can we always distinguish what is in, and what is not in our control, as Stoics believe? The answer this question is no, we cannot make a distinction
Stoics have said that the only thing man has control of is his own will. They say we cannot control the external world. However, we can control our own will and our reaction to the external world. Stoics also say that our will controls our desires from the internal self and the external world. Our happiness comes from apatheia, which is a strengthening of the will that allows us to control our desires. The Stoic’s happiness comes from peace, tranquility, and lack of conflict in one’s life, which comes from controlling your desires. This again is due to controlling your own will.
I do not agree with the Stoic’s view of what we can and cannot control. Man can sometimes control how he reacts to the exterior world. However, he cannot control his desires. The desires, Stoics believe, cause conflict and strife in a person’s life. If a person could control his desires, then he would not have conflict in his life. Since he can never have a life without conflict, he cannot control his desires. If man cannot control his desires, what else does he not control? Does he control his happiness? Does he control any events that happen in the exterior world? These questions are two examples of why there is not a distinction between events in and out of our control.
Happiness comes from the combination of our joy, pain, success, failures, inner peace, inner conflict, etc. Most of these things come from the exterior world, some even from desires. Since man cannot control his desires, or the exterior world, he cannot control when and where the above mentioned things happen. Therefore, he cannot have complete control of his happiness. The question now raised is can man have complete control over anything? The answer is a resounding no.

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Gina Baker <daphine10@hotmail.com>

Your paper was very well thought out. I agree with what you are saying, that we can not control our desires.


Nichole Sanders <snk79@hotmail.com>

I agree. I feel that same way.


Anna C. Nance <eirendel@yahoo.com>

Your arguement was well thought out and I agree.


Russell Martin <rangjung21@hotmail.com>

You have made some very interesting points about the controling and non-controling of desires. I am not sure if I agree with you totally. I believe there is a limit to ones ability to control his or her desires. Yet, I believe desires can be tamed.
I Find it hard to imagine a world in which everyone who desired to kill another person actually followed through with it. Stephen King, for lack of a better example, often states that he writes to fight off his desires to commit some of the violent crimes depicted in his novels. So, maybe one of the worlds most popular horror novelists even has the ability to control his desires. I think that everyone can control, to a certain degree, the desires that they are faced with. This control just takes effort and training of the self.
On the other hand there does seem to be a limitation to the controling of desire. In this case I would like to use the desire for food as an example. We all desire food. If you disagree with this check your pulse because you may not be alive. We seem to desire food, even if we do not desire the taste of it (think marriott), because we need it to survive. This desire is, thus, unsupressable unless someone chooses to starve themselves to death. Most would not take their control over desire that far though.



jennifer lester <lesterjennifer@hotmail.com>

well thought out paper.


Chun Yeung <jane1227@yahoo.com>

I agree with you, it is a good paper.


Tom Lundis <Kman26@hotmail.com>

I agree that we cannot always distinguish between what is in our control or outside of it. But I think people have more control over themselves and the external world than you or the stoics give them credit for. Look at the world as a chain of dominos falling over and continuing to go in a straght line. Some dominos represent people, at these dominos there would have to be several branches to represent Possible reactions be that person. Depending on the persons action it would depend on which domino it knocked over. I believe people can control there mind, and most of their actions, and perhaps even some of their desires. People can change to flow of the dominos if the act on the world instead of sitting and watch the world simply turn as they sit and watch.


Nick Hart <hart125@hotmail.com>

Well thought out, so is our control an illusion?


Demetri Andrews <dandrews92@hotmail.com>

I agree.


Rachel Crowe <rcrowe@usa.net>

I'm glad you said that people do not have "complete" control over their happiness becuase it is nice to know that we have "some" control over our happiness and the events in our lives.


Tim Andrews <tandrews@emeraldis.com>

I agree--there is not a distinction between events in and out of our control.


Amy Young <bbfhyoung@yahoo.com>

I really like Russell’s comment on this paper and agree that if we work at it we can achieve control over our own desires even the desire for food, take for example Mahatma Gandhi. He starved himself for political reasons and lead a very restricted lifestyle.


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Michelle Komski <michellekomski@hotmail.com>

I completely agree with your position. You seem to have thought out this paper very well.